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Ray
Jones Versus MFI Ltd
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Billy Taylor: Go through the messages from last night
R Jones: Do you deny saying tough like?
Billy Taylor: Yer, I do – childish comment, you said an awful lot as well - notice my replies to what you said aren’t in there
R Jones: No, the thing is…… Billy: No, I’m not going to argue, I’ve been told not to argue with you
R Jones: Are you going to give me book 31?
Billy Taylor: I’ll give you copies that’s as per the company’s response & whatever you want, I’ve told you before write in there, I’ll get you copies.
R Jones: I want the book, I want the whole book.
Billy Taylor:
HR says you can’t
R Jones: What do you mean HR can’t, I can… its for my appeal
Billy Taylor:
You can’t, it’s the company’s…… Well ok, speak to HR, I’ve been told not to argue with you & I’m not going to.
Billy Taylor: What’s that got to do with you; do you have to take them back?
R Jones: It’s on my duty sheet to take them back
Billy Taylor:
Guard1 said there wasn’t many there
R Jones: 4 plates
Billy Taylor:
It’s not a lot, 4 plates is it?
R Jones: If I go up there to take plates back & I come back & miss a trailer or something has happened – I mean, I’m not even allowed to shut the gate – you said I locked the gate which was wrong – it was a lie!
Billy Taylor:
I didn’t say that – I read your message
R Jones: You lied, you lied, you lied at that erm, grievance
Billy Taylor: So did you
R Jones: I didn’t
Billy Taylor:
You spoke a load of shite
R Jones: Billy, you know……
Billy Taylor:
(Flapping his arms around) Anyway, NO, NO, NO, NO – I’m not going to argue with you
R Jones: No I won’t – you said I locked them gates & in the book it doesn’t even say I locked the gate – you did say I locked the gates
Billy Taylor:
Locked the barriers, locked the door
R Jones: I didn’t say I locked the gates, you said I locked the gates
Billy Taylor:
You locked up, why didn’t you say “I didn’t lock the gates?” at the…..
R Jones: Because it’s in the book & I can’t get at that book, so there’s no need to lie, you lied twice at that grievance
Billy Taylor:
You lied a fuckin million times, your whole thing was a lie, you’re a shit stirring trouble maker.. (clenching his teeth & fists) Right!!!
R Jones: My job depends on this & your putting my…….
Billy Taylor:
Does it, does it?
R Jones: Yes it does. My family……
Billy Taylor:
Since you’ve been here you’ve been a shit stirrer
R Jones: Have I?
Billy Taylor:
Since you’ve been here, yer
R Jones: Is that right?
Billy Taylor:
Yes it is!
R Jones: Are you trying to get me sacked, why, why Billy, why don’t you be a man enough & tell me why are you trying to get me sacked?
Billy Taylor:
You’ve done nothing, hours? You’ve done, I’m not even gonna argue, I’ve been told….
R Jones: But why are you trying to get me sacked
Billy?
Billy Taylor: Since you come here you’ve been a shit stirring, from you, you’re the worst guard we’ve ever had here
R Jones: Why is that Billy, I’m only trying to do my job.
Billy Taylor:
Hours, hours, hours
R Jones: You only trained me up for 4 nights & everything you got me on
Billy Taylor:
You said it was 2 nights at the meeting, you said 2 nights at the meeting see, you lie, you got 4 nights..
R Jones: I still never went outside, You’ve got me on things that were done outside & I haven’t even been trained up outside
Billy Taylor:
You’ve been here for 8 months
R Jones: It doesn’t matter
Billy Taylor:
I said to the new guy “Where’s the first aid office? And he said ”over there”
R Jones: Because Guard1 showed him
Billy Taylor:
Your telling me you never went outside
R Jones: I never went outside, no
Billy Taylor:
Your telling me that in 8 months you don’t know how to get to first aid.
R Jones: I do now… All them things you got on me, you said you had 20 things - why didn’t you bring this 20 up?
Billy Taylor:
Coz I don’t know
R Jones: Your trying to get me sacked
Billy Taylor: I don’t want you sacked
R Jones: You do, you do Billy
Billy Taylor: You’ve been an arse hole since coming here
R Jones: You gave me a final warning
Billy Taylor: That’s right!
R Jones: My family & everyone suffers because you give me a final warning
Billy Taylor: Listen, you said yourself… you’re an arse hole… we’re all going to lose our jobs because of you
R Jones: You’ve always said that, you’re always saying, rock the boat, Don’t rock the boat
Billy Taylor: That’s right!
R Jones: I confronted you over Halton Warehouse
Billy Taylor: You don’t confront me with nothing, you work for me, you don’t confront me.
R Jones: You should admit fault
Billy Taylor:
I have – I’ve owned up to that
R Jones: That was my nephew you had in here
Billy Taylor:
What’s it got to do with you?
R Jones: You used my family so you could stay at home
Billy Taylor:
No I didn’t
R Jones: Yes you have & since then, you’ve been after me
Billy Taylor:
No, no, no, no I haven’t
R Jones: You’ve been circling – You circled my work & now all this
Billy Taylor:
You got rid of Frank, coz you were part of the reason Frank left & he’s willing to stand up, you called me a Wanker to **** ***** last night, that’s another thing…
R Jones: **** *****? **** ***** wasn’t even here….
Billy Taylor:
you called me a fucking Wanker
R Jones: I don’t remember doing that
Billy Taylor:
Well he remembers coz he told me the other day, fuckin wanker (Shaking his hand to suggest wanking)
R Jones: I don’t remember doing that
Billy Taylor:
Be man enough to say it to me any time you want
[RJ - This is the start of the supervisor's threats]
R Jones: No, you be man enough to tell me what you’re doing with my job, if you want me to walk, I’ll walk but I want the truth from you
Billy Taylor:
What do you mean? Listen, I’m not going to argue with you because your fuck all to me.. You work for me
R Jones: Yer, and you’re the big boss are you? You’re using your power against me
Billy Taylor:
Don’t be stupid, you ask Your brother, Guard1... You’re the only one we’ve ever had this problem with, ask your brother
R Jones: That’s because you’re a bully
Billy Taylor:
Yer, I’ve seen that…
R Jones: You are a bully
Billy Taylor:
Don’t talk so fuckin stupid
R Jones: You’re a Bully!
Billy Taylor:
What about you & Frank, you done it with Frank and he was going to fill your brother in when he should have fuckin filled you in
R Jones: Oh, is that right, is that right?
Billy Taylor:
Yer, yer
R Jones: Because you can’t control your guards
Billy Taylor:
You told me you wound Frank up……………….
R Jones: You do nothing on days, I feel sick to the stomach knowing the general manager pays you a wage for doing nothing
Billy Taylor: You’re the worst guard we’ve ever had here
R Jones: You even bollocked us for not drawing lines in the book
Billy Taylor:
So what, that’s right!
R Jones: You can do that when all you do is stand there warming your arse on the heater..
Billy Taylor: So could you, so could you
R Jones: Lazy Get, How much do you get paid?
Billy Taylor: A lot more than you
R Jones: For doing nothing
Billy Taylor: What do you do?
R Jones: Do you know what Billy, you’re a little man, you’ll never be a supervisor in your eyes, because your not
Billy Taylor: Yer, so would you, you can’t do your job coz you’re the biggest shit stirrer we’ve ever had here
R Jones: Why do you keep putting things in the book, why don’t you just ask me to my face? Why are there always question marks in the book?
Billy Taylor: That’s not the point
R Jones: Yes it is , you are my supervisor
Billy Taylor: I put a question, then we have a conversation – we’ve done it like this for 17 years – that isn’t even a legal requirement
R Jones: It’s the year 2002 now Billy , your stuck in your old ways
Billy Taylor: So what? Don’t you worry about it!
R Jones: I should worry about it because you’ve got me up there on things that everyone else has done… Why did you do that
Billy?
Billy Taylor: I’m not going to argue with you, your just a fucking prick…and anytime you wanna call me a prick, anytime you wanna.. Anytime
R Jones: You’ve been here for seventeen years and you didn’t even know how to work the bloody weekend… hey boys any tips for the weekend?
Billy Taylor: That’s right, I can’t know everything
R Jones: You sad man. You’re a sad man Billy
Billy Taylor: Write it down in there - you’re a fucking prick! Any time you wanna start - start anytime, anytime..
R Jones: Don’t start threatening me Billy
Supervisor: I’m not threatening you; you’re the big guy come on… anytime
R Jones: Don’t you come up to me like that… who do you think you are you big bully
Billy Taylor: Frank should’ve fucked you in and why am I a bully?
R Jones: You are a bully Billy with a capital B your name suits you right you are a bully
Billy Taylor: And you are a Prick!! You’re the fuckin biggest prick we’ve had here
R Jones: You know the other ten things you’ve got on me Billy?
Billy Taylor:
Yes
R Jones: Why don’t you tell me where I’m going wrong so I don’t make them mistakes again?
Billy Taylor:
They are irrelevant
R Jones: What do you mean irrelevant? If I’m making mistakes you should be able to tell me like “listen mate you’re making mistakes”
Billy Taylor:
I told you last week
R Jones: Why don’t you tell me the other things, you said you had 20 things on me
Billy Taylor:
I don’t need to
Billy Taylor: I don’t need to. There is enough now for what’s happening isn’t there!
Billy Taylor: You know.. you going to this union meeting and all the rest of it European directive and all that shit
R Jones: What are you going to get me sacked with Billy? Number 10? Is that why you left that out?
Billy Taylor: You will have to wait and see
R Jones: Wait and see? So you are going to get me sacked?
Billy Taylor: Wait and see!
R Jones: So I might as well walk mighten I?
Billy Taylor: If you want
R Jones: You would rather me do that your going to get me sacked anyway
Billy Taylor: I don’t care
R Jones: Don’t you care about my kids at home Stuff like that?
Billy Taylor:
Don’t you think about mine and the rest of the lads in here and
Frank's?
Who nearly lost his fuckin job because of you
R Jones: Frank's got a good job?
Billy Taylor:
Only because he had to get out of here because of you
R Jones: You know what Billy, No one likes you.. Billy no mates you just come into work to bully people just because you’re a supervisor, you will never be a Manager because you haven’t got the brains to be a manager
Billy Taylor:
I’ve more brains than you
R Jones: Have you now? No I don’t think so Billy your just a bully and your trying to get me sacked you’re a nothing,
Billy Taylor:
Your talking shite
R Jones: I do a good job here, I’ve done a better job than you actually in all the years you’ve been here
Billy Taylor: How do you work that out?
R Jones: I grit the roadways and get no thanks I MOT'd the car which should have been done a week ago
Billy Taylor:
Kev Sherwin (the gardener) done it, apparently you said to him I’m not men – he told me
R Jones: No.. I don’t think so Billy but I don’t care because I know I done it!
***** ******* was driving it with no mot - I stopped him from driving that van with no mot
Billy Taylor:
Listen, shut your fucking mouth - I don’t want to talk about it your talking a load of shite..
R Jones: ***** ******* was driving that car with no mot, I stopped him from driving it coz there’s no mot
Billy Taylor:
Don’t talk fuckin Well done, well done, thanks very much, thanks very much
R Jones: What was the worst thing I got dragged up there for, what was the worst thing - that no one else has done?
Billy Taylor: I’m not going to argue with you
Billy Taylor:
All the others are all good lads you’ve rocked the boat since you come here
R Jones: Because of Halton ware house.. that’s what it is isn’t it
Billy Taylor: No
R Jones: It is, it is – You said you would never be my friend because of
Halton Ware House
Billy Taylor:
I never said that
R Jones: You did
Billy Taylor:
We got on all right before all that
R Jones: Yes, we did.. & As soon as I mentioned 'company' Ware House that was it we never spoke to each other
Billy Taylor: Well… we have spoke
R Jones: Yer, spoke as in pass the book
Billy Taylor: You threw that as a dig, you wouldn’t even have mentioned that if it had happened to anyone else
R Jones: It doesn’t matter, it was my family you involved, you used my family
R Jones: You used my 15-year-old nephew to stand in here
Billy Taylor: Your brother reckons he’s 16
R Jones: So you can stay here & have a drink
Billy Taylor: I’d had a drink
R Jones: It doesn’t matter, you should still have come down
Billy Taylor: My boss tells me that…
R Jones: You don’t turn around and say to my brother “Can you get your wife in?”
Billy Taylor: Your wife?
R Jones: You said……..
Billy Taylor: What are you going on about that for Ray, your talking a load of shite it’s got nothing to do with you – were you asked to come in?
R Jones: Yes I was
Billy Taylor: But you refused so there you go
R Jones: I refused because I had had a drink
Billy Taylor: Well, so had I, So had I!!
R Jones: So why get a 15 year old boy in?
Billy Taylor: I didn’t
R Jones: You did, you said get one of your lads in to my brother
Billy Taylor: I never, you’re a liar – We’ll ask your brother!
R Jones: I’m a liar?
Billy Taylor: You even tried to Blame your brother for that, writing a message for him
R Jones: No I didn’t – my brother knows
Billy Taylor:
But Steph's got it down written,
R Jones: I don’t need to lie Billy
Billy Taylor:
Steph's got it down written…
R Jones: You know all my answers to that were the truth
Billy Taylor: You are a fucking liar, that’s what you are, a shit stirring liar
R Jones: No Billy, you’re the liar
Billy Taylor: Well, prove it, prove it.. If you can prove it
R Jones: Well, you’ve got me on them 10 things
Billy Taylor: I’ve got a lot more than that
R Jones: I just want peace of mind
Billy Taylor: Well, get it out
R Jones: Are you going to get me sacked, if you are going to get me sacked, well, therefore, I won’t bother pissing about, but if there’s any chance of keeping my job
Billy Taylor: YOU, LIKE THIS, KEEPING YOUR JOB, YOU, YOU’RE THE WORST FUCKING GUARD WE’VE EVER HAD HERE
R Jones: How do you work that one out Billy?
Billy Taylor: Because you’re a trouble making shit stirrer and..
R Jones: Yer, because of Halton Warehouse
Billy Taylor: Don’t be stupid, wasn’t
Halton Warehouse
R Jones: Well what was it over then?
Billy Taylor:
Because you’re just a fucking……….
R Jones: Why did you take the book home for 2 weeks & find bad work, why did you do that, you planned it didn’t you?
Billy Taylor:
I didn’t - Don’t be stupid, don’t be stupid
R Jones: Your constructively dismissing me aren’t you?
Billy Taylor:
Well you can get me then can’t you
R Jones: I don’t need to Billy – you won’t be man enough to tell me straight
Billy Taylor:
Alright 'Shunter'…
R Jones: Do you know what I mean? You won’t be man enough for once in your life to say something straight to me instead of lying
Billy Taylor: Your talking a load of shit
R Jones: Your just lying & I can’t stand liars, you make me sick
Billy Taylor: Yer a fucking….Well do something about it then you fucking knob head.. Do something about it
R Jones: Why don’t you just admit that you’re a liar?
Billy Taylor: You’re a fucking Dick!! An anything… Big man, do something!!
R Jones: I don’t need to Billy
Billy Taylor: No, cause you’re a fucking gob shite
R Jones: Listen if you want to smack me in the gob by all means do it
Billy Taylor: Go on Ray, try it, big man
R Jones: No
Billy Taylor: No, because you’re a shit house
R Jones: No
Billy Taylor: You started it, you’re the fuckin big guy
R Jones: I am yer
Billy Taylor: Well do something now
R Jones: No, you do something.
Billy Taylor: No, cause you’re a fucking shit house… go on…
R Jones: See that Mark – he’s threatening me
Billy Taylor: I’m not threatening,
Mark
R Jones: You was, you were pointing at me & you were pushing me
Billy Taylor: You’re a fucking dick, don’t tell lies
R Jones: Yes I was, I had my hands behind my back like this & you were threatening me
Billy Taylor: Was yer?
R Jones: Yes you was you bully! He’s a bully Mark, He’s a nice guy in front of people but he’s a bully, I’m telling you that now!
Billy Taylor: You’re the Guy gonna do something – Try it
R Jones: I don’t need to Billy, you’ve got me on a final warning – if your gonna get me sacked,
get me sacked, but I’d rather walk
Billy Taylor: Go ed, walk then
R Jones: You lie, you lie
Billy Taylor: Go ed then cause you’re the biggest fuckin dick we’ve ever had here
Billy Taylor to Shunter (witness): Go on go, just get out mate
R Jones: See the way he talks to you “just get out”
Billy Taylor:
They don’t want to be involved… You do that I don’t do that
R Jones: It doesn’t matter he is a manager and he seen you poking me & pushing me &
challenging me
Billy Taylor: I never poked you!! You’re a liar… you’re a liar
Mark Illidge: There was no fingers pointing when I walked in ..so don’t start
R Jones: He was challenging me.. he was and I have got the Shunter as a witness
Billy Taylor: No you haven’t, you’ve got no one
R Jones: I had my hands behind my back asking you why you lied at my disciplinary
Billy Taylor: You’re a liar, don’t tell lies. And why are you bringing these lads into it?
R Jones: Coz they walked in at the moment you was threatening me
Billy Taylor: Walk out… Don’t talk shite
Billy Taylor: Are you happy with the hand over book have you read it
R Jones: No you will have to pass it over
Billy Taylor: Anytime you want to sort do something you let us know!
R Jones: What’s that? Is that another threat?
Billy Taylor: No it’s not a threat
R Jones: Make sure its not Billy
Billy Taylor: Anytime, big, big…
R Jones: I don’t like idle threats
Billy Taylor: It’s not an idle threat, anytime you want, anytime, anytime
R Jones: You want to take me on??
Billy Taylor: Yep, anytime, anytime
R Jones: And you’re a supervisor asking to take one of your lads on
Billy Taylor: One of your lads on.. read the book you fucking knob! Write that down at your disciplinary meeting… go ed
Mark your alright, you shoot off
R Jones: Your just bullying me Billy, that’s all you do
Billy Taylor: You talk a load of shite!!
R Jones: I just want to get on do me job
Billy Taylor: Yea you keep saying that but you want to try doing it
Mark Illidge: I don’t think I should leave this situation really
Billy Taylor: No, I’m shooting off
Mark, he’s just trying to catch me unaware
Mark Illidge: Don’t you want to involve someone else over this?
Billy Taylor: No you’re all right
Mark you won’t be dragged in
R Jones: You know when you left last night you said you had 20 things on me - You only got me on ten
Billy Taylor: (Laughing) what do you want another ten
Billy Taylor to Mark Illidge: I don’t want to talk about it, I already told him I don’t want to talk about it but he’s carrying on the conversation I’m not
R Jones: Coz you’re a bully
Billy Taylor: See!! Alright ***** (waves to a co worker)
Billy Taylor to R Jones: YOU’RE A KNOB HEAD
R Jones: Very nice coming from a supervisor
Billy Taylor: So is a Bully, so is bully (speaks to
Mark) isn’t it?
R Jones: It’s not nice Billy, is not nice, you are a bully
Billy Taylor: Don’t be stupid
R Jones: But at least I don’t come out calling you obscene names like that - your supposed to be my supervisor your not supposed to talk to me like that - I’m asking you what mistakes I’m making and your saying I’m a Dick Head
Billy Taylor to Mark Illidge:
See how he’s calmed down - he wasn’t like that a minute ago was he??
Mark Illidge: I wasn’t here a minute ago
Billy Taylor: No, go head Mark, your alright I’m getting off
R Jones: Well you can go now Billy
Billy Taylor: No, no, I’ve explained it as your per message here that says you don’t understand my writing ok
R Jones: No I don’t understand your writing
Billy Taylor: Alright, you don’t understand that - why didn’t you ask me yesterday before I left or why didn’t you phone me at home
R Jones: Erm, I did say yesterday
Billy Taylor:
No you didn’t, you’re a liar
R Jones: There’s another lie there..
Billy Taylor:
Ok Reply to your message – do you understand that? It’s quite expl, see that, the notes there – there’s 6 lines for you there are you happy with that?
R Jones: mm, ok
Billy Taylor: Alright Smiler (talking to a 12 year old girl who is sat behind the counter with me & my supervisor), err ***** **** stuff in office & **** ******* said he gave you a laminated sheet to give to me last night – where is it
R Jones: Which laminated sheet?, It’s in there, I passed it on to Guard1, why can’t you see it, it’s there – it was there – Guard1 had it last, I passed it on to Guard1
Billy Taylor:
Alright well I’ll check with him
R Jones: I told him, I said there it is, there & he goes ok
Billy Taylor: I’ll ask him tonight
R Jones: Ok
Billy Taylor: That’s for Guard2, er, did you view the video last night & if you did, did you see anything on the video?
R Jones: No
Billy Taylor: Did you view it?
R Jones: No
Billy Taylor: Why?
Ray Jones: Because I didn’t have time
Billy Taylor:
Didn’t have time – why didn’t you write didn’t have time to view video?
R Jones: Because it doesn’t say to view the video
Billy Taylor: E ar – Ray, Guard1, Guard2 – check area on cctv, and review the video
R Jones: It doesn’t say that
Billy Taylor: Check area on cctv & review the video
R Jones: I didn’t have time so Guard1 must have done it
Billy Taylor: No, he didn’t do it
R Jones: Well it’s got Ray, Guard1, Guard2
Billy Taylor: Guard1 n Guard2 – your first
R Jones: I didn’t have time to do it, sorry
Billy Taylor: Yer well, you can give me an explanation on that later
R Jones: I just have now
Billy Taylor: ok we’ve spoke about that, that’s not a good enough explanation – I want it in writing
R Jones: Ok, great stuff
Billy Taylor: OK
R Jones: Is that another bullying tactic there
Billy Taylor: How is that bullying?
R Jones: I’ve just explained to you that I didn’t have time to do it – I don’t need to write a report on it
Billy Taylor: You did, I wanna know this morning if you’d viewed that – I viewed it myself today
R Jones: Well did you see anything on it Billy?
Billy Taylor: What’s that got to do with it, I asked you to do it
R Jones: Did you know what car you were looking for?
Billy Taylor: yea, yea
R Jones: I see – see you tomorrow Billy
Billy Taylor: Same time, same place
R Jones: Yep, no problem mate – whose is this key? (Pointing to a key on top of the handover book)
Billy Taylor: I’ll speak to 'that driver'
[RJ the one who allegedly told the supervisor I had made
'wanking' suggestion behind his back] later – he’s just handed it in to you
R Jones: Who’s is it then
Billy Taylor:
Who I’ve just said to yer
R Jones: Who
Billy Taylor:
***** the driver
R Jones: I don’t know, what did ***** say?
Billy Taylor:
The guy disappearing
R Jones: Did you write it in the book?
Billy Taylor:
It’s in the book already
R Jones: Where?
Billy Taylor:
Where I’ve just said
R Jones: You didn’t explain it to me
Billy Taylor:
It’s in the book yer
R Jones: It’s not in the book Billy?
Billy Taylor:
there it is look (pointing to a message from 2 days ago)
R Jones: What’s that – **** ***** car keys on hook 1 – but they are here?
Billy Taylor:
He’s just handed them back in
R Jones: I didn’t notice
Billy Taylor:
Well yer wouldn’t notice coz your thick
R Jones: Coz I’m what?
Billy Taylor:
Yer thick!!
R Jones: Why am I thick?
Billy Taylor:
He’s just handed them in to yer saying here’s ***** keys
R Jones: He didn’t hand them to me, he handed them to you
Billy Taylor:
No, he passed them on to you
R Jones: You put them on there obviously
Billy Taylor:
Can you understand that message?
R Jones: Yes I can – thanks Billy
Billy Taylor:
Returned on 01
R Jones: That’s great that
Billy Taylor:
Ok, yer happy with that?
R Jones: Yer, I’m happy
Billy Taylor: I’ll expect your 300 messages tomorrow
R Jones: Alright, coz I’m a good guard
Billy Taylor
to a managers 12 year old daughter: Don’t you be touching no keys – monster, giz another crisp, I’ll bring you a bar of chocolate tomorrow – did you eat that chocolate yesterday – nice wasn’t it? Alright
Mark, see yer lad
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